Listening to Srila Prabhupada on perfection

"Therefore, for perfect knowledge you have to approach the perfect. We accept Lord Kṛṣṇa as the perfect, and His bona fide representative is also perfect. How is he perfect? Kṛṣṇa may be perfect, one may admit, but how His bona fide representative is also perfect? So the answer is the bona fide representative of Kṛṣṇa does not say anything beyond Kṛṣṇa. That is perfect. He may be imperfect; it doesn't matter. But he is receiving knowledge from the perfect, and he's simply repeating that knowledge." SP

I asked these questions on the picture, but received no answer 😕. These are all Prabhupada's disciples you see; do you really think that they have perfect knowledge? What to speak of his grandisciples!

It is one thing to repeat the words of Krishna, it is another to act. Often the two are not synchronized. Humans have two hands, they move independently of each other.

"Why we shall accept Kṛṣṇa's version as perfect? Do they not say like that? SP

Yes, they say like that. They say that the process doesn't work according to facts. Many devotees can see that and are denouncing it. But  the medicine doesn't taste appetizing, they prefer to believe that pure devotees are hiding somewhere. Perfection has become a hidden truth and liars are exploiting it to their fullest ability under the cover of an official religious status. They say "infiltrators" have usurped Srila Prabhupada's authority while he was alive and that is the reason "Why, we shall accept Kṛṣṇa's version as perfect?"...

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Sudāmā: The question also is there: the authority is the spiritual master, but the via media to the spiritual master... The difference between śikṣā and dīkṣā-guru...

Prabhupāda: A śikṣā-guru who instructs against the instruction of spiritual, he is not a śikṣā guru. He is a demon. Sometimes a dīkṣā-guru is not present. Therefore one can take learning, instruction, from an advanced devotee. That is called the śikṣā-guru. Śikṣā-guru does not mean he is speaking something against the teachings of the dīkṣā-guru. He is not a śikṣā-guru. He is a rascal.

That means, as Krishna says in Bhagavad-gita 4.2, the parampara is "lost" and "broken". Is this a belief or the truth? Experience shows the facts: in these days, gurus look a lot like demons.

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When there is a respectful discussion, then we can come to an agreement, if progress or peace are wanted. But by insulting each other instead of looking for a compromise, there is no agreement possible.

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Listening to Srila Prabhupada this morning on imperfection. 

"But they cannot give any perfect information, their theory. So our process is to take Kṛṣṇa... Not only our; this is the paramparā system. All the ācāryas---Rāmānujācārya, Madhvācārya---they take Kṛṣṇa's version as perfect. And Caitanya Mahāprabhu says, therefore, that "You do not instruct anything which is manufactured by you. Do not instruct all these..." Because you are imperfect. You have manufactured all your theories. They are imperfect. Caitanya Mahāprabhu therefore says, yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa. This is perfection. If you say Kṛṣṇa's upadeśa, instruction, then it is perfect. And if you say your experimental instruction, that is imperfect."

Therefore, devotees are left with repeating incessantly the same argument and counter arguments years after years, decades after decades, incapable of any dialectic. It is like hamsters running on a wheel.

They say the movement is still too young and for this reason it cannot be perfect. They take the Catholic Church as an example, as if it were an appropriate model...

Now, in the same lecture, while discussing with the scientist Swarup Damodara,  this time Srila Prabhupada says that proofs and researchs are required.

"So anyway, everyone is getting knowledge, perfection, by tapasya, by austerity, by learned scholarship. These things are required for describing Kṛṣṇa. Not only on the theory, but actually to prove that this knowledge is there, Kṛṣṇa is full of all opulences... Kṛṣṇa means He's the full, opulent Personality of Godhead. That you have to prove."

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SP: "That is scholarship. You make research work, but... In the śāstra it is said that Kṛṣṇa is the original person of this departmental knowledge. Suppose you are a lawyer. So Kṛṣṇa gives the law. This is research work. Just actually Kṛṣṇa gives. What is Kṛṣṇa gives? Sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja. This is law. The first giver of law is Kṛṣṇa, that "You give up all nonsense. Surrender unto Me." This is law. Then you'll understand everything."

He says that the law is to accept a guru. It is the first law given by Krishna; surrendering. This law is presently putting ISKCON in a state of complete confusion and damage. The law's efficiency is taken from the Srimad-Bhagavatam to serve as an example, but in present reality the consequences are catastrophic on the ground; gurus can perform like villains and the disciples are the last to realize their fall downs, being gaslighted by them.